Hi All,
This may sound like a strange glitch. But, I use dropbox to send important files to paying clients, so I want to try to figure out what is going on to make sure that I don't send people...
If you add a file to your Dropbox file, which is identical to another file on your account, then the Dropbox desktop application recognizes they are the same, so it creates a duplicate of the original file on the site and instantly 'syncs' the file.
This works even if the new file has a different name. I've tested on on my device with a 1 GB video.
I have noticed something similar with audio files. I will upload 20GB of audio files which takes a while. I then make a tiny change to the audio in those audio files.
This audio is a bunch of 30 minute wave files of a tv program split into its various components, dialogue, music, effects, full mix etc. I change one tiny 5 second segment. That is the only thing that has changed.
I erase the old files in DB, I recreate the files, give them different names and they have different timestamps. They are almost identical to the old files as far as content goes except for the changed 5 secs of audio across all the wave files, the names and the time stamps.
DB seems to upload these very very quickly. Is DB so clever that it compares the content of the new and old files and updates the original uploaded files only altering the changed 5 secs in the whole file, plus the name and the time stamp?
Is DB so clever that it compares the content of the new and old files and updates the original uploaded files only altering the changed 5 secs in the whole file, plus the name and the time stamp?
Yes. Before every file is uploaded, it's split into 4MB chunks and then hashed. Before uploading the chunks, Dropbox compares the hash of each chunk to the hashes of all the chunks in your account. If there's a match, Dropbox doesn't upload that chunk. It already exists online, so no need to upload it.
Now the next part is dependent on the applications writing your files. If, when a file is modified, an application rewrites the entire file or just writes data to the beginning of the file, it's likely that every chunk of that file (and every hash) will be different, resulting in Dropbox having to re-upload the entire file. But if the application only rewrites a portion of the file, or just adds new data to the end of the file, the majority of your file remains the same, so most of the hashes remain the same, and Dropbox only needs to upload the chunks that have changed. In such a case, it will appear as though Dropbox has re-uploaded the entire 20GB file when in reality it's only uploading a few 4MB chunks.
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But, I use dropbox to send important files to paying clients, so I want to try to figure out what is going on to make sure that I don't send people...","body@stringLength":"2060","rawBody":"
Hi All,
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This may sound like a strange glitch. But, I use dropbox to send important files to paying clients, so I want to try to figure out what is going on to make sure that I don't send people broken links or corrupted files.
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Let me explain. I added a 25GB video file to my dropbox folder as I normally would. Files this size typically take 12-24 hours to upload to dropbox. I don't have gig speed internet. However, today, dropbox reported that the file was uploaded within 5 minutes!
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Windows explorer and the sync queue all indicate that the file is uploaded. When I open dropbox on my browser and my mobile phone I'm able to watch the video in it's entirety. As one additional check I opened it in a different browser where I'm not logged into dropbox and it even appears to play fine there. Although it only allows me to watch the first hour of content since I'm not logged in there.
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I have not tested watching the video on another computer outside my home.
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While I would be thrilled to upload massive files in minutes, I want to be sure that the files aren't getting corrupted or clipped. I don't want to send a link to a paying client only to find out the file never uploaded. I'm particularly concerned because I uploaded the same file yesterday (under a different name) and the client said it came through corrupted, Yesterday it took 14 hours to upload.
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I can think of a couple of possibilities right now: First is that I uploaded an identical file yesterday (with a different name). Is it possible that dropbox somehow recognizes that these are identical files and just uses the first one as a stand in? Second, is that dropbox is glitching out but since I'm checking the file from devices on the same wifi network, it's reading them over the local network.
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Has anyone else experienced anything like this? If so, any help would be appreciated!
This may sound like a strange glitch. But, I use dropbox to send important files to paying clients, so I want to try to figure out what is going on to make sure that I don't send people broken links or corrupted files.
\n
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Let me explain. I added a 25GB video file to my dropbox folder as I normally would. Files this size typically take 12-24 hours to upload to dropbox. I don't have gig speed internet. However, today, dropbox reported that the file was uploaded within 5 minutes!
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Windows explorer and the sync queue all indicate that the file is uploaded. When I open dropbox on my browser and my mobile phone I'm able to watch the video in it's entirety. As one additional check I opened it in a different browser where I'm not logged into dropbox and it even appears to play fine there. Although it only allows me to watch the first hour of content since I'm not logged in there.
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I have not tested watching the video on another computer outside my home.
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While I would be thrilled to upload massive files in minutes, I want to be sure that the files aren't getting corrupted or clipped. I don't want to send a link to a paying client only to find out the file never uploaded. I'm particularly concerned because I uploaded the same file yesterday (under a different name) and the client said it came through corrupted, Yesterday it took 14 hours to upload.
\n
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I can think of a couple of possibilities right now: First is that I uploaded an identical file yesterday (with a different name). Is it possible that dropbox somehow recognizes that these are identical files and just uses the first one as a stand in? Second, is that dropbox is glitching out but since I'm checking the file from devices on the same wifi network, it's reading them over the local network.
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Has anyone else experienced anything like this? If so, any help would be appreciated!
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Thanks!
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I didn't know that. Super useful. Thanks!
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I have noticed something similar with audio files. I will upload 20GB of audio files which takes a while. I then make a tiny change to the audio in those audio files.
This audio is a bunch of 30 minute wave files of a tv program split into its various components, dialogue, music, effects, full mix etc. I change one tiny 5 second segment. That is the only thing that has changed.
I erase the old files in DB, I recreate the files, give them different names and they have different timestamps. They are almost identical to the old files as far as content goes except for the changed 5 secs of audio across all the wave files, the names and the time stamps.
DB seems to upload these very very quickly. Is DB so clever that it compares the content of the new and old files and updates the original uploaded files only altering the changed 5 secs in the whole file, plus the name and the time stamp?
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Is DB so clever that it compares the content of the new and old files and updates the original uploaded files only altering the changed 5 secs in the whole file, plus the name and the time stamp?
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Yes. Before every file is uploaded, it's split into 4MB chunks and then hashed. Before uploading the chunks, Dropbox compares the hash of each chunk to the hashes of all the chunks in your account. If there's a match, Dropbox doesn't upload that chunk. It already exists online, so no need to upload it.
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Now the next part is dependent on the applications writing your files. If, when a file is modified, an application rewrites the entire file or just writes data to the beginning of the file, it's likely that every chunk of that file (and every hash) will be different, resulting in Dropbox having to re-upload the entire file. But if the application only rewrites a portion of the file, or just adds new data to the end of the file, the majority of your file remains the same, so most of the hashes remain the same, and Dropbox only needs to upload the chunks that have changed. In such a case, it will appear as though Dropbox has re-uploaded the entire 20GB file when in reality it's only uploading a few 4MB chunks.
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